I love yaoi and have my own favorite pairings, however the fangirls.......... I've been in a chatroom before with these girls cussing each other out and saying horrible things just because one wants England with France or one wants him with......Gah even outside of the chatroom I saw some girls during highschool get into fist fights over this crap. bottom line here it's okay to like yaoi, yuri or straight pairings just don't act like some crazy scary fangirl.
same...guys do it too though. ...I never understood what straight men/women found in... Then again, I never understood the appeal in watching people make out in general, because apparently I'm a prude. -_- Whatever you want people, just leave me out of it.
Exactly. Proof? Even you declared sexuality "masculine" and romance "feminine."
But anyway, back to the beginning. Yes, a lot of women like seeing to men together, but a lot of men find that sexually threatening. Since we're still kind of in a 'men rule" thing... even though a lot of women find it sexy it's still not as accepted as two women kissing, which men find sexy.
Yes. I'm just saying that we're really used to male sexuality on commercials, bill boards, movies, television shows, music videos etc. They all direct themselves to appeal sexually to men. However, things that appeal to women's sexuality are still rare even today. When they do, it's usually comic and silly. And most sexual material that involves men is geared to men who like men, not women.
So, I think that this intimate and explicit constant display of things to interest men sexually and this total lack of experience in things that excite women is why two women kissing is sexy and two men kissing is 'omg gay that's gross.'
In America, when people want to insult a woman, the insults are almost always sexual. A woman you don't like is a bitch (which is sexual) or a whore or a slut or a even a cunt. Women's sexuality is still very far from men's sexuality as far as society goes.
Yeah, such kind of afection is kinda common in Europe or so I've heard.
Uh... I'm talking about like 70 or 80 years ago here. Women feeling pleasure was totally wrong for them or so I hear from stuff they tell from my grandma's time. And I know what you mean... sex wasn't a bad thing during all ages. It was when the church started getting more power and stuff that things started changing.
I'm just saying that platonic male/male affection may be common in other countries but it's not done in the US.
And you're absolutely right. And why would showing sexual pleasure be seen as 'slutty' and not allowed to express sexual desires and men were? Because men's sexuality was readily excepted and female's sexuality was considered threatening. A woman with sexual desires may cheat on a husband. A woman with a sexual desires may lead a 'pure' man to sin etc. etc. It wasn't acceptable for woman to be sexual.
Both genders have commonly found members of their attracted gender in sexual congress with each other exciting throughout the ages. Most ancient erotic art and depictions express this. I can link you to ancient artwork that depicts women watching men have sex and men watching women have sex.
After Christianity came along and sex was demonized things changed, but it's not like it's new.
Wait, wait, wait... who the hell said men kissed each other in Latin America? O_O That would totally be gay! xD
Uh... I think you are mixing things. Who said people was more confortable with male sexuality? It's not that. It's just women were not allowed to express their sexual desires. I've heard in the time of my grandma girls had to remain silent when doing it cuz if they made any sound that reveals they had pleasure it would be seen as they are slutty or something like that.
I realize that it's less common. That's not really the point.
You've also got something else backwards. Maybe in Latin America it's common for men to kiss each other platonicly. I know it is in Europe. But, in the US, platonic kisses between men pretty much don't exist. America is much too homophobic and the fear of being seen as gay among straight men still exists. Violence against gay men still exists here too. In a lot of ways we're still kind of backwards.
I realize that there's more than one way too kiss. I'm just saying that you get sexual lusty kisses in chick flicks and chase kisses in action movies (Super hero movies specifically.)
Ultimately, I think people are more comfortable with male sexuality than female sexuality. As, for centuries, what excites and interests women was ignored, while sexually attracting the interest of men was a large part of manipulating the population.
Yes, I get your point but society and it's norms has managed to make it so it's way less common for women to like a gay couple than men liking a lesbian couple. Has you noticed how gay guys kissing is seeing as something polemic while 2 girls kissing is seeing more like just regular porn? I mean... even in regular porn for men having 2 girls kissing is like the regular thing while 2 guys kissing is more a gay porn only thing instead of it being part of porn made for girls.
I was saying there's more than one way to kiss. The inocent and romantic one is the one usualy shown on chick flicks while the more lustful and sexual one is shown on action movies and it's not a theory. That's how movies and stuff has always worked.
I only used to watch them when I was a kid. I dunno about USA but in latin american countries watching soap operas is seeing as something extremly girly... even thought some guys do watch them, too. But anyway... the fact guys watch them, too doesn't change the fact their target audience are women.
Yes, normaly in chick flicks kisses are way more romantic while in action movies they are more focused on the sexual part of it than the relationship and the romance. All of this is not set in stone thought but that's the "normal".
I usualy prefer to watch than read. Both yaoi and yuri fans got a very weird mind that create even weirder fanfics. I've only seen a few I liked but then again I've not read that much either xD and notice that I do like yuri but I hate none canon stuff (even if it's yuri) with very few exceptions which I still see as none canon no matter how hot the 2 girsl look together.
1. Sex involves kissing, too. This kind of kisses are the ones presented in action movies. That's what I meant.
2. I didn't say are "inanely femenine". I said they are used on products that are for women. How often you see romantic romance in thing made for guys? Yaoi and Yuri are products, too. They were created for an certain public. It's the same with "cute" stuff. It's girly. Have you ever seen "Hello Kitty" stuff for guys?
3. No, I said romantic kissing (which is normaly the kind they use in yaoi and yuri) is girly and therefore femenine and fits the image of a girl. And I mean romantic kissing as in all nice and cute. The kind you see on soap operas.
1. Kissing is romantic and not sexual. Incorrect. Kissing and watching people kiss can be very sexual.
2. Romance is girly. Incorrect. While it's true that women are more focused on personal relationships and books and movies geared towards women tend to involve personal relationships and romance, the idea that romantic relationships are inanely feminine really doesn't hold together.
3. So, the idea that kissing is somehow 'romantic' and therefore 'feminine' therefore two women kissing is more sexy than two men kissing is, frankly, kind of silly.
Well, that's how it's for the general public. I didn't say I agreed with it. Why else you think romantic stuff is mainly shown on stuff made for girls like soap operas or romantic novels? When have you seen romantic romance on action movies made for men? Yes, I know there's romance in some but when they show some is more focused on the sexual part of it... so how am I wrong at all?